Talk:Hawk 75

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Style notes: I find the descriptive gameplay text somewhat patronizing of the H75 and its pilots, especially the screenshot comment. While one of its strongest trait is doubtless its turn rate, to actively promote it as a "balls to the wall dogfighter" is doing it a great disservice. It can B&Z like anything and is especially well suited for diving attacks. I'll be revising this text. /Bmbm

Gross weight

French manuals say the H-75A-1's gross weight was 2680 kg with only 2 machine guns and 600 rounds per gun. With four extra wing guns and 500 round each, we should be around 2820 kg (2680 + 98 kg ammo + 4 * 9.7 kg guns + small parts to hold the stuff). Looking for a confirmation. Pachy 08:35, 15 February 2007 (CST)

We must have one of the A-2s, which includes 3 variants according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-36_Hawk . I have America's Hundred Thousand at home, which is a pretty authoritative source, and will check tonight. Bloo

The list of variants on the wiki is not well written, it's confusing. Four variants were delivered to France, the main difference being in the engine:

• H-75A-1 with Pratt & Whitney R-1830 SCG
• H-75A-2 with Pratt & Whitney R-1830 SC3G
• H-75A-3 with Pratt & Whitney R-1830 S1C3G
• H-75A-4 with Wright R-1820 G205A (practically not operationally used)

I am not aware of major weight changes with the first three variants. A-1s were originally equipped with only 4 guns, but were upgraded to 6 guns in early 1940. Last we spoke about variants a long time ago... other Rats (Mo?) said we had the A-3 (latest variant operationally used, basically). Pachy 11:27, 15 February 2007 (CST)

America's Hundred Thousand was not perfectly clear on this, there is no precise listing for the precise model. It does show that later version were lighter than earlier ones, even with more guns, so a simple More Guns = More Weight approach would be incorrect. As it is, that weight figure is only in the description. What I recall from the AHT book is that it is almost certainly with 200lbs or so. But that line is just a bit of text in a description. The actual weight used in the game is the combination of all the elements, pilot, ammo, fuel. And that would take me a lot of digging to gather, and I'm not sure it is worth it at this point. Bloo

I had completely forgotten we had this discussion when I last edited the article! Anyhow, I used figures from Persyn's book, which is the most complete about variants in French service. Pachy 12:40, 5 October 2008 (CDT)